ceiling and procedural matters. let's have our big fights about substantive budget issues down the road. trying to tell the more adamant tea party members that they have to get real if they're going to win again. >> i love the fact that paul ryan is emerging as that voice that's going to sort of shape and form the ground on which this new effort by the party will stand. here's the dance. the dance, though, is the rhetoric is one thing. you have the washington class talking and saying what we have to do, and we're going to do this, and rubio and the crew are going to roll out on immigration issue today. that's all great. how does the typical tea party activist respond? are they ready to make that move? do they believe that it's credible? do they believe that this undermines or augments our principles and what they believe and we believe to be an important part of this discussion as much as the effort at outreach and the effort of making the right soundbyte. have to marry that up. there's one thing for the leadership